Template talk:MOB infobox - Revision history

Kedoch at 17:58, 31 March 2018

2018-03-31T17:58:01Z

BetaNotus: /* Default title */

2017-04-17T23:53:04Z

‎Default title

Alleryn at 20:53, 17 April 2017

2017-04-17T20:53:36Z

Arindor: Nevermind

2017-03-08T11:13:14Z

Nevermind

Arindor: /* Default title */

2017-03-08T10:41:27Z

‎Default title

BetaNotus: /* Default title */ Responded to Arindor and Alleryn.

2017-02-25T17:06:14Z

‎Default title: Responded to Arindor and Alleryn.

Alleryn at 02:43, 25 February 2017

2017-02-25T02:43:11Z

Arindor: /* Default title */ new section

2017-02-25T01:36:01Z

‎Default title: new section

Extractum11: /* Level */

2017-01-17T01:20:47Z

‎Level

Trimoon: /* Level */ addendum

2016-04-11T08:48:44Z

‎Level: addendum

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	::: I guess i'm just going to switch the default title to being blank rather than saying 'title'. It looks a little silly as it is unless someone is going to go through and add in the mob name to every mob infobox. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 15:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)		::: I guess i'm just going to switch the default title to being blank rather than saying 'title'. It looks a little silly as it is unless someone is going to go through and add in the mob name to every mob infobox. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 15:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)
	:::: That's a nice change. Thanks! [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 18:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)		:::: That's a nice change. Thanks! [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 18:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)
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		+	==Bosses/Elites vs Normals, Multiple Areas and Optional H/A/R==
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		+	I'd like to propose that the default MOB Infobox have Health, Armor and Rage (H/A/R) be optional.
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		+	In my opinion creatures with different stats across their various locations shouldn't have H/A/R values displayed in their infobox. These values should be included in the MOB Location template, and meaningfully links location and vital statistics for a given mob across all their variations. This also creates additional maintenance work for us (updating two sets of values), and frankly I'm never sure what values to put in the infobox to begin with.
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		+	I tried simply omitting these stats from the infobox recently and that just results in unpopulated cells with the H/A/R icons.
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		+	Infoboxes for elites/bosses that are '''unique''' have only 1 set of H/A/R values, generally speaking, and this makes the infobox H/A/R stats useful. (The exception currently is [[Megaspider]] in [[Serbule Hills Spider Cave]] and [[Serbule Crypt]] although others may exist? Not sure how to handle that one yet).
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		+	Thoughts? Would someone with more experience be willing to tackle this? I'll look into it but my wiki-fu isn't the strongest yet.
		+	[[User:Kedoch\|Kedoch]] ([[User talk:Kedoch\|talk]]) 13:58, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

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	::: I guess i'm just going to switch the default title to being blank rather than saying 'title'. It looks a little silly as it is unless someone is going to go through and add in the mob name to every mob infobox. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 15:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)		::: I guess i'm just going to switch the default title to being blank rather than saying 'title'. It looks a little silly as it is unless someone is going to go through and add in the mob name to every mob infobox. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 15:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)
		+	:::: That's a nice change. Thanks! [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 18:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)

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	:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)		:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)
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		+	::: I guess i'm just going to switch the default title to being blank rather than saying 'title'. It looks a little silly as it is unless someone is going to go through and add in the mob name to every mob infobox. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 15:53, 17 April 2017 (CDT)

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	:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)		:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)
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−	::: My change does not remove the ability to specify title on a page. It simply defaults to PAGENAME if title is not provided. Reverting this change breaks many, many mob pages on the site that have not explicitly set title in the infobox. I understand the need for a title for dynamic pages for things like MAP infobox, and unlike MOB infobox it is easy to fix the relatively few map pages for such a change. That said, I question whether MOB infobox itself would ever be used in a dynamic page, and no examples of this are provided. Again moving forward with the default title so that countless mob pages and images are not broken.<br><br>A better solution than intentionally breaking pages to force a separately specified title for every page is simply to warn on each page if title has not been set. I will look into adding such a warning, if desired. [[User:Arindor\|Arindor]] ([[User talk:Arindor\|talk]]) 04:41, 8 March 2017 (CST)

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	:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)		:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)
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		+	::: My change does not remove the ability to specify title on a page. It simply defaults to PAGENAME if title is not provided. Reverting this change breaks many, many mob pages on the site that have not explicitly set title in the infobox. I understand the need for a title for dynamic pages for things like MAP infobox, and unlike MOB infobox it is easy to fix the relatively few map pages for such a change. That said, I question whether MOB infobox itself would ever be used in a dynamic page, and no examples of this are provided. Again moving forward with the default title so that countless mob pages and images are not broken.<br><br>A better solution than intentionally breaking pages to force a separately specified title for every page is simply to warn on each page if title has not been set. I will look into adding such a warning, if desired. [[User:Arindor\|Arindor]] ([[User talk:Arindor\|talk]]) 04:41, 8 March 2017 (CST)

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	:I'm not really clear on why your approach won't work. I did talk to BetaNotus in-game and he said we should add the title parameter to all the existing MOB_Infobox templates. Some clarification on why we need this would be nice. He also said we shouldn't start on it right away, because the wiki is going to be coming down shortly for server maintenance. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 20:43, 24 February 2017 (CST)		:I'm not really clear on why your approach won't work. I did talk to BetaNotus in-game and he said we should add the title parameter to all the existing MOB_Infobox templates. Some clarification on why we need this would be nice. He also said we shouldn't start on it right away, because the wiki is going to be coming down shortly for server maintenance. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 20:43, 24 February 2017 (CST)
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		+	:: Sorry about that brief reply. I was falling asleep and just wanted to make a note to return to. When initially created, all the infoboxes used PAGENAME to pull the titles, but we found this starts to create problems when certain dynamic page lists are created. Say for example, you wanted to create a fancier Dungeons page that displayed the infoboxes of all dungeons in a borderless table. When the MAP infobox used a default PAGENAME instead of a set name/title, the infoboxes pulled onto the so-called Dungeons page would all display the page name of "Dungeons" instead of Anagoge Island, Serbule, Eltibule, and so on. Switching to a non-optional user-defined title/name for all the infobox templates solves the dpl renaming issues, and sets things up for a "condensed infobox" that someone is working on. Hope this helps a bit. [[User:BetaNotus\|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus\|talk]]) 11:06, 25 February 2017 (CST)

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	Please explain. What "more things" are broken with a default title? As far as I could see, the template is in an usable condition, with many mob pages broken: the title just says "title" and the mob pictures do not show. The [[Sherzat]] page shown in the documentation for this template for example!!! My change was not without consideration - I tested at length and the default title seemed the best approach to fix the many many broken pages, and I found no examples of where it broke something else. If you have such examples, please provide them so folk can help fix issues without feeling like we're just being told "I know it's broke - don't touch it". [[User:Arindor\|Arindor]] ([[User talk:Arindor\|talk]]) 19:36, 24 February 2017 (CST)		Please explain. What "more things" are broken with a default title? As far as I could see, the template is in an usable condition, with many mob pages broken: the title just says "title" and the mob pictures do not show. The [[Sherzat]] page shown in the documentation for this template for example!!! My change was not without consideration - I tested at length and the default title seemed the best approach to fix the many many broken pages, and I found no examples of where it broke something else. If you have such examples, please provide them so folk can help fix issues without feeling like we're just being told "I know it's broke - don't touch it". [[User:Arindor\|Arindor]] ([[User talk:Arindor\|talk]]) 19:36, 24 February 2017 (CST)
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		+	:I'm not really clear on why your approach won't work. I did talk to BetaNotus in-game and he said we should add the title parameter to all the existing MOB_Infobox templates. Some clarification on why we need this would be nice. He also said we shouldn't start on it right away, because the wiki is going to be coming down shortly for server maintenance. [[User:Alleryn\|Alleryn]] ([[User talk:Alleryn\|talk]]) 20:43, 24 February 2017 (CST)

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	See [[Talk:Mushroom#Multi areas]] --[[User:Trimoon\|Trimoon]] ([[User talk:Trimoon\|talk]]) 03:45, 11 April 2016 (CDT)		See [[Talk:Mushroom#Multi areas]] --[[User:Trimoon\|Trimoon]] ([[User talk:Trimoon\|talk]]) 03:45, 11 April 2016 (CDT)
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		+	== Default title ==
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		+	''"Please do not "Fix" the title field. That actually breaks more things. We want the mob names in the title field on each page for a reason! Thank you."''
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		+	Please explain. What "more things" are broken with a default title? As far as I could see, the template is in an usable condition, with many mob pages broken: the title just says "title" and the mob pictures do not show. The [[Sherzat]] page shown in the documentation for this template for example!!! My change was not without consideration - I tested at length and the default title seemed the best approach to fix the many many broken pages, and I found no examples of where it broke something else. If you have such examples, please provide them so folk can help fix issues without feeling like we're just being told "I know it's broke - don't touch it". [[User:Arindor\|Arindor]] ([[User talk:Arindor\|talk]]) 19:36, 24 February 2017 (CST)

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 :: I don't think it would be too crowded if it were placed in header floating left or right :) --[[User:Trimoon|Trimoon]] ([[User talk:Trimoon|talk]]) 03:47, 11 April 2016 (CDT)
 :: Thinking more about it, this game doesn't work with char levels, so which level are we talking about? --[[User:Trimoon|Trimoon]] ([[User talk:Trimoon|talk]]) 03:48, 11 April 2016 (CDT)
 == Multi areas ==
 See [[Talk:Mushroom#Multi areas]] --[[User:Trimoon|Trimoon]] ([[User talk:Trimoon|talk]]) 03:45, 11 April 2016 (CDT)