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I love the idea of this page, but I think a different style of table would be best, for easy use and access.  I will add one below, and let me know what you think.  One thing it still needs is alternating colors for the table, which I am working on. [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 16:30, 21 January 2015 (CST)
 
I love the idea of this page, but I think a different style of table would be best, for easy use and access.  I will add one below, and let me know what you think.  One thing it still needs is alternating colors for the table, which I am working on. [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 16:30, 21 January 2015 (CST)
{|  <!-- This is the first line of the two tables -->
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I was actually planning to add how it looks when equipped, and I want to put it next to the chart like what you did with those two chart. the pictures would be just two, one from front, one from behind.
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: While that's a good idea for the future, I don't think it's especially reasonable right now. We'd need to develop a standard format for taking images (background, how to edit it, quality of images, ect), as well as recording information for current equipment sets (which counting all the craft-able armor sets... is almost 200). The other factor is storage. As of right now, flooding the wiki with ~400 images would be a bad thing, at least until we have more room for images, and a better storage system for them.  For now, recording the names, base stats, and using the current in-game icons is the best option. If you want (for uniquely named items), use [[Item_Template_Demos| This system]].  One last thing, to sign your name, time, and date at the end of a post, enter four tilde (~). [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 11:35, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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:: True. Adding the visual will be unnecessarily time consuming and might have to be redone due to the quality and the formats. Just a suggestion, I am not familiar with the formats yet, so I'll post the data then you can edit them in if you are okay with it. [[User:Mingi|Mingi]] ([[User talk:Mingi|talk]]) 15:21, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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::: In short, for every two types of items, copy and paste the tables below.  Each block that starts with "gear table row" is an individual item in one of the tables.  Each item has an item name, icon, a base stat, and the base value.  Just replace them with whatever you want, and leave icons at the basic set for now (basicsword/basicstaff, ect).  I'm currently editing lots of new icons for use on the wiki. Also, do you think Equipment Sets might be a better title for this page?  If so, I'll change it.  Thank you, [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 15:31, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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::::Thanks a lot. How should the order of the items be? alphabetical? should we organize them by tiers? or alphabetical? I don't want to call them sets? maybe as a subtitle, I can't think of better one than "Equipment" to replace "Equipment Stat". [[User:Mingi|Mingi]] ([[User talk:Mingi|talk]]) 18:25, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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::::: I think Weapons followed by Armor would work for inside the tables.  When we have more sets of gear on the page, we can sort by base stats.  I think "Equipment" is fine.  I will switch it exactly 10 minutes from the time of this post. Also, for instances like Ravana which has more "Stat Changes" I am fine with having only one table, instead of two next to each other. [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 18:46, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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::::::I don't really like the double table, it makes me to turn my eyes around. Also, it looks too flat to just put the charts there, I might want to put links where it drops/sells to make it more informative.[[User:Mingi|Mingi]] ([[User talk:Mingi|talk]]) 19:05, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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::::::: Ah, I can see that.  I seems to mess with things if the wiki is shrunken to 50% wide, such as the half-screen ability of Windows 7.  One table it is, and I set the one up below.  I think some basic info on the set, and the white space underneath can be used for images of characters wearing (some of) the items.  [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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:::::::: that would be perfect, the image of item equipped is undecided though.[[User:Mingi|Mingi]] ([[User talk:Mingi|talk]]) 19:43, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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::::::::: Agreed, but there is certainly a gap.  An image could do the page some good.  I updated the main page.  [[User:BetaNotus|BetaNotus]] ([[User talk:BetaNotus|talk]]) 20:08, 23 January 2015 (CST)
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:::::::::: Been busy, I'll just add those here encase I erase them accidentally. [[User:Mingi|Mingi]] ([[User talk:Mingi|talk]]) 22:33, 4 February 2015 (CST)
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::::::::::: It looks really messy because I haven't figured which form would handle the information.[[User:Mingi|Mingi]] ([[User talk:Mingi|talk]]) 17:05, 7 February 2015 (CST)
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== Example ==
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{| style="align:left; align:top;" <!-- This is the first line of the two tables -->
 
|-
 
|-
| valign="top" width="50%"|
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| valign="top" width="30%"|
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===Test: Basic Set=== <!-- This is the title of the first Gear table -->
 
===Test: Basic Set=== <!-- This is the title of the first Gear table -->
{| class="" style="width:300px; border-style: solid; border-width: 8px; align:top;"
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{| class="zebra" style="width:300px; border-style: solid; border-width: 8px; align:top; align:left; border-collapse:collapse;"
 
! Item Image
 
! Item Image
 
! Equipment Name
 
! Equipment Name
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}}
 
}}
 
|}  <!-- This is the end of the left table -->
 
|}  <!-- This is the end of the left table -->
| <!-- This tells for there to be a second cell in the outer table -->
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| <!-- This tells for there to be a second cell in the outer table (the text) -->
| valign="top"|
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| valign="top" |
===Test: Basic Set #2=== <!-- This is the title of the second gear table -->
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=== Test: Basic Set Description ===
{| class="" style="width:300px; border-style: solid; border-width: 8px; float:left;" <!-- start of table 2 -->
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<br />
! Item Image
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:'''Equipment Name:''' Basic
! Equipment Name
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:'''Recommended Level:''' 0 - 10
! Stat Changes
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:'''Description:''' Basic gear is well... basic. For an Adventurer who just exited the [[Tutorial Cave]], these items are a necessity!
! Base Value
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:'''Method to Obtain:''' Most of the items can be bought from [[Joeh]] in [[Serbule Keep]]. The Basic Staff can be bought from [[Hogan]] in [[Eltibule]].
{{gear table row
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<!-- Room for one or two images of a character wearing items from this set -->
  | item = Basic Sword
 
  | icon = basicsword
 
| base stat = None
 
| base value = 50
 
}}
 
{{gear table row
 
| item = Basic Staff
 
| icon = basicstaff
 
| base stat = None
 
| base value = ???
 
}}
 
{{gear table row
 
| item = Basic Claw
 
| icon = basicclaw
 
| base stat = None
 
| base value = ???
 
}}
 
{{gear table row
 
| item = Basic Boots
 
| icon = basicboots
 
| base stat = +12 Armor
 
| base value = 42
 
}}
 
{{gear table row
 
| item = Basic Pants
 
| icon = basicpants
 
| base stat = +22 Armor
 
| base value = 70
 
}}
 
{{gear table row
 
| item = Basic Breastplate
 
| icon = basicbreastplate
 
| base stat = +24 Armor
 
| base value = 84
 
}}
 
{{gear table row
 
| item = Basic Gloves
 
| icon = basicgloves
 
| base stat = +12 Armor
 
| base value = 42
 
}}
 
|} <!-- This ends the second inside table -->
 
 
|} <!-- This ends the first two rows -->
 
|} <!-- This ends the first two rows -->
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== Other stuff==
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:kight's helm 40armor vul to elec 5% 147value
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:basic war claw 4%unarmed dmg 10% trauma dmg
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:anguish orb require necro 25 -25%necro power cost enable necro 200value
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:ring of directness 3alldirect -3 indirect 150value
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:tail ring of righteousness 1righteousness 50 value
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:flask-stick 120 value
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:everpatching shirt in-combat armor 5 armor regen 5 79 294 metal
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:heat orb require fire 15 nero reduce 20% 120
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:eltibule bow archery damage 1 aimedshot attacks deal 15 damage 200
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:Slimy Shoes Max Armor +28/Acid Damage Reduction +2/ Hideous Metal Armor/ Value 105

Latest revision as of 11:03, 15 March 2015

I love the idea of this page, but I think a different style of table would be best, for easy use and access. I will add one below, and let me know what you think. One thing it still needs is alternating colors for the table, which I am working on. BetaNotus (talk) 16:30, 21 January 2015 (CST)

I was actually planning to add how it looks when equipped, and I want to put it next to the chart like what you did with those two chart. the pictures would be just two, one from front, one from behind.

While that's a good idea for the future, I don't think it's especially reasonable right now. We'd need to develop a standard format for taking images (background, how to edit it, quality of images, ect), as well as recording information for current equipment sets (which counting all the craft-able armor sets... is almost 200). The other factor is storage. As of right now, flooding the wiki with ~400 images would be a bad thing, at least until we have more room for images, and a better storage system for them. For now, recording the names, base stats, and using the current in-game icons is the best option. If you want (for uniquely named items), use This system. One last thing, to sign your name, time, and date at the end of a post, enter four tilde (~). BetaNotus (talk) 11:35, 23 January 2015 (CST)
True. Adding the visual will be unnecessarily time consuming and might have to be redone due to the quality and the formats. Just a suggestion, I am not familiar with the formats yet, so I'll post the data then you can edit them in if you are okay with it. Mingi (talk) 15:21, 23 January 2015 (CST)
In short, for every two types of items, copy and paste the tables below. Each block that starts with "gear table row" is an individual item in one of the tables. Each item has an item name, icon, a base stat, and the base value. Just replace them with whatever you want, and leave icons at the basic set for now (basicsword/basicstaff, ect). I'm currently editing lots of new icons for use on the wiki. Also, do you think Equipment Sets might be a better title for this page? If so, I'll change it. Thank you, BetaNotus (talk) 15:31, 23 January 2015 (CST)
Thanks a lot. How should the order of the items be? alphabetical? should we organize them by tiers? or alphabetical? I don't want to call them sets? maybe as a subtitle, I can't think of better one than "Equipment" to replace "Equipment Stat". Mingi (talk) 18:25, 23 January 2015 (CST)
I think Weapons followed by Armor would work for inside the tables. When we have more sets of gear on the page, we can sort by base stats. I think "Equipment" is fine. I will switch it exactly 10 minutes from the time of this post. Also, for instances like Ravana which has more "Stat Changes" I am fine with having only one table, instead of two next to each other. BetaNotus (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2015 (CST)
I don't really like the double table, it makes me to turn my eyes around. Also, it looks too flat to just put the charts there, I might want to put links where it drops/sells to make it more informative.Mingi (talk) 19:05, 23 January 2015 (CST)
Ah, I can see that. I seems to mess with things if the wiki is shrunken to 50% wide, such as the half-screen ability of Windows 7. One table it is, and I set the one up below. I think some basic info on the set, and the white space underneath can be used for images of characters wearing (some of) the items. BetaNotus (talk) 19:32, 23 January 2015 (CST)
that would be perfect, the image of item equipped is undecided though.Mingi (talk) 19:43, 23 January 2015 (CST)
Agreed, but there is certainly a gap. An image could do the page some good. I updated the main page. BetaNotus (talk) 20:08, 23 January 2015 (CST)
Been busy, I'll just add those here encase I erase them accidentally. Mingi (talk) 22:33, 4 February 2015 (CST)
It looks really messy because I haven't figured which form would handle the information.Mingi (talk) 17:05, 7 February 2015 (CST)

Example

Test: Basic Set

Item Image Equipment Name Stat Changes Base Value
Basicsword Basic Sword None 50
Basicstaff Basic Staff None  ???
Basicclaw Basic Claw None  ???
Basicboots Basic Boots +12 Armor 42
Basicpants Basic Pants +22 Armor 70
Basicbreastplate Basic Breastplate +24 Armor 84
Basicgloves Basic Gloves +12 Armor 42
Basichelm Basic Helm +13 Armor 42
Basicshield Basic Shield +12 Armor 42

Test: Basic Set Description


Equipment Name: Basic
Recommended Level: 0 - 10
Description: Basic gear is well... basic. For an Adventurer who just exited the Tutorial Cave, these items are a necessity!
Method to Obtain: Most of the items can be bought from Joeh in Serbule Keep. The Basic Staff can be bought from Hogan in Eltibule.

Other stuff

kight's helm 40armor vul to elec 5% 147value
basic war claw 4%unarmed dmg 10% trauma dmg
anguish orb require necro 25 -25%necro power cost enable necro 200value
ring of directness 3alldirect -3 indirect 150value
tail ring of righteousness 1righteousness 50 value
flask-stick 120 value
everpatching shirt in-combat armor 5 armor regen 5 79 294 metal
heat orb require fire 15 nero reduce 20% 120
eltibule bow archery damage 1 aimedshot attacks deal 15 damage 200
Slimy Shoes Max Armor +28/Acid Damage Reduction +2/ Hideous Metal Armor/ Value 105